DinoRaptor101 said 5 years, 4 months ago:

Throughout the ages, circumcision has been surrounded by myths, lies, and unbelievable claims. Like the health tonic & elixir salesmen of the 19th century, those who promote circumcision promise to prevent disease while downplaying risks. Here are some of the most often repeated claims.

Myth 1: Circumcision is merely cutting a flap of skin off.

FACT: The foreskin is half of the penis’s skin, not just a flap. The foreskin has unique anatomical features and functions that are the result of millions of years of mammalian evolution. In an adult man, the foreskin is 15 square inches of skin.

In babies and children, the foreskin is adhered to the head of the penis with the same type of tissue that adheres fingernails to their nail beds. Removing it requires shoving a blunt probe between the foreskin and the head of the penis. Then foreskin must be pulled into a special a circumcision clamp in order to crush the skin and start the clotting process. It’s the equivalent of placing your finger in a door hinge and slamming the door shut. After the clamp has crushed the skin for 10 minutes the foreskin can be sliced off.

Myth 2: It doesn’t hurt the baby.

FACT: When people who say babies don’t feel pain, it’s because they can’t handle the truth .
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In 1997, doctors in Canada did a study to see what type of anesthesia was most effective in relieving the pain of circumcision. As with any study, they needed a control group that received no anesthesia. The doctors quickly realized that the babies who were not anesthetized were in so much pain that it would be unethical to continue with the study. Even the best commonly available method of pain relief studied, the dorsal penile nerve block, did not block all the babies’ pain. Some of the babies in the study were in such pain that they began choking and one even had a seizure (Lander 1997). Some babies that don’t scream are in shock, and their body doesn’t know how to respond to the overwhelming pain stimulus.

Myth 3: My doctor will use anesthesia.

FACT: Not every doctor uses anesthesia every-time Many doctors are not convinced that babies feel pain. Some think babies are pacified with sugar water during the time when a significant portion of their genitals are sliced off. Most of all, babies can’t talk or file a complaint. You will never know what happens to your baby in the circumcision room. Some circumcision rooms are sound insulated so parents can’t hear their babies screaming. Most newborns do not receive adequate anesthesia. Babies may go into shock, or may not have the ability to communicate their pain. Nurses often tell the parents “He slept right through it” so as not to upset them. Who would want to hear that his or her baby was screaming in agony? Only 45% of doctors who do circumcisions use any anesthesia at all. Even the dorsal penile nerve block injection leaves the underside of the penis receptive to pain.Obstetricians perform 70% of circumcisions and are least likely to use anesthesia – only 25% do. The most common reasons why they don’t? They didn’t think the procedure warranted it, and it takes too long (Stang 1998). A circumcision with anesthesia takes a half-hour – if they brought your baby back sooner with some Tylenol, he was in severe pain during the surgery.
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Myth 4: Even if it is painful, the baby won’t remember it.

FACT: The body is a historical repository and remembers everything. The pain of circumcision causes a rewiring of the baby’s brain so that he is more sensitive to pain later (Taddio 1997, Anand 2000). Circumcision also can cause post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), depression, anger, low self-esteem and problems with intimacy (Boyle 2002, Hammond 1999, Goldman 1999). Even with a lack of explicit memory and the inability to protest – does that make it right to inflict pain?

Myth 5: It doesn’t cause the baby long-term harm.

FACT: Removal of healthy tissue from a non-consenting patient is, in itself, harm (more on this point later). Circumcision has an number of risks and side effects. There is a 1-3% complication rate during the newborn period alone (Schwartz 1990). Here is a short list potential complications.

Meatal Stenosis: Many circumcised boys and men suffer from meatal stenosis. This is a narrowing of the urethra which can interfere with urination and require surgery to fix.

Adhesions. Circumcised babies can suffer from adhesions, where the foreskin remnants try to heal to the head of the penis in an area they are not supposed to grow on. Doctors treat these by ripping them open with no anesthesia.

Buried penis. Circumcision can lead to trapped or buried penis – too much skin is removed, and so the penis is forced inside the body. This can lead to problems in adulthood when the man does not have enough skin to have a comfortable erection. Some men even have their skin split open when they have an erection. There are even more sexual consequences, which we will address in a future post.

Infection. The circumcision wound can become infected. This is especially dangerous now with the prevalence of hospital-acquired multi-drug resistant bacteria.

Death. Babies can even die of circumcision. Over 100 newborns die each year in the USA, mostly from loss of blood and infection (Van Howe 1997 & 2004, Bollinger 2010).

Myth 6: You have to get the baby circumcised because it is really hard to keep a baby’s penis clean.

FACT: In babies, the foreskin is completely fused to the head of the penis. You cannot and should not retract it to clean it, as this would cause the child pain, and is akin to trying to clean the inside of a baby girl’s vagina. The infant foreskin is perfectly designed to protect the head of the penis and keep feces out. All you have to do is wipe the outside of the penis like a finger. It is harder to keep circumcised baby’s penis clean because you have to carefully clean around the wound, make sure no feces got into the wound, and apply ointment. The foreskin separates and retracts on its own sometime between age 3 and puberty. Before it retracts on its own, you wipe the outside off like a finger. After it retracts on its own, it will get clean during the boy’s shower or bath. There is nothing special that the parents need to do.

Myth 7: “My uncle/father/friend/cousin wasn’t circumcised and he kept getting infections and had to be circumcised as an adult.”

FACT: Medical advice may have promoted infection in uncircumcised males. A shocking number of doctors are uneducated about the normal development of the foreskin, and they (incorrectly) tell parents that they have to retract the baby’s foreskin and wash inside it at every diaper change. Doing this tears the foreskin and the tissue (called synechia) that connects it to the head of the penis, leading to scarring and infection.

American doctors receive little medical school education on the care and treatment of the intact penis. The curriculums assume that all men will be circumcised. Doctors in America are trained to circumcise. Hence, when an American doctors encounters an intact penis with a minor problem his first recommendation is circumcision.

Misinformation was especially prevalent during the 1950s and 60s, when most babies were circumcised and we didn’t know as much about the care of the intact penis, which is why the story is always about someone’s uncle. Doing this to a baby boy would be like trying to clean the inside of a baby girl’s vagina with Q-tips at every diaper change. Rather than preventing problems, such practices would cause problems by introducing harmful bacteria. Remember that humans evolved from animals, so no body part that required special care would survive evolutionary pressures. The human genitals are wonderfully self-cleaning and require no special care.

Also, in medicine we only treat the sick, injured or diseased. We do not prescribe medications preemptively. We do not perform preemptive surgery until there is a real problem. We do not prescribe antibiotic until there is evidence of infection. We do not perform tonsillectomies until there is repeated tonsillitis. We do not perform mastectomies until there is cancer. So why should circumcision be any different?

Myth 8: My son was diagnosed with phimosis and so had to be circumcised.

FACT: Phimosis means that the foreskin will not retract. Since children’s foreskins are naturally not retractable, it is impossible to diagnose phimosis in a child. Any such diagnoses in infants are based on misinformation, and are often made in order to secure insurance coverage of circumcision in states in which routine infant circumcision is no longer covered. Even some adult men have foreskins that do not retract, but as long as it doesn’t interfere with sexual intercourse, it is no problem at all, as urination itself cleans the inside of the foreskin (note that urine is sterile when leaving the body.)Phimosis can also be treated conservatively with a steroid cream and gentle stretching done by the man himself, should he so desire it, or, at worst, a slit on the foreskin, rather than total circumcision. (Ashfield 2003) These treatment decisions can and should be made by the adult man.

Myth 9: Uncircumcised boys get more urinary tract infections (UTIs.)

FACT: Girls have a 3 times higher rate of UTI than boys. Yet know one suggests cutting girls genitals to prevent UTI. When a girl gets a UTI, she is uti circumcisionsimply prescribed antibiotics. The same treatment works for boys. The UTI claim is based on one study that looked at charts of babies born in one hospital (Wiswell 1985). The study had many problems, including that it didn’t accurately count whether or not the babies were circumcised, whether they were premature and thus more susceptible to infection in general, whether they were breastfed (breastfeeding protects against UTI), and if their foreskins had been forcibly retracted (which can introduce harmful bacteria and cause UTI) (Pisacane 1990). There have been many studies since which show either no decrease in UTI with circumcision, or else an increase in UTI from circumcision. Thus circumcision is not recommended to prevent UTI (Thompson 1990).

Myth 10: Circumcision prevents HIV/AIDS.

FACT: Three studies in Africa several years ago claimed that circumcision prevented HIV transmission and that circumcision was as effective as a 60% effective vaccine (Auvert 2005, 2006). These studies had many flaws, including expectation bias (both researcher and participant), selection bias, lead-time bias, attrition bias, duration bias, and early termination that favored the treatment effect the investigators were hoping for. (Van Howe, Storms 2011: How the circumcision solution in Africa will increase HIV infections.) It as been suggested that the researchers tailored the studies to reach the conclusions they wanted. Read more about how circumcision is a dangerous mistake for HIV prevention.

There have also been several studies that show that circumcision does not prevent HIV (Connolly 2008). There are many issues at play in the spread of STDs which make it very hard to generalize results from one population to another.

In Africa, where the recent studies have been done, most HIV transmission is through male-female sex, but in the USA, it is mainly transmitted through blood exposure (like needle sharing) and male-male sex. Male circumcision does not protect women from acquiring HIV, nor does it protect men who have sex with men (Wawer 2009, Jameson 2009).

What’s worse, because of the publicity surrounding the African studies, men in Africa are now starting to believe that if they are circumcised, they do not need to wear condoms, which will increase the spread of HIV (Westercamp 2010). Even in the study with the most favorable effects of circumcision, the protective effect was only 60% – men would still have to wear condoms to protect themselves and their partners from HIV.

In the USA, during the AIDS epidemic of the 1980s and 90s, about 85% of adult men were circumcised (much higher rates of circumcision than in Africa), and yet HIV still spread.

It is important to understand, too, that the men in the African studies were adults and they volunteered for circumcision. Babies undergoing circumcision were not given the choice to decide for themselves.

Myth 11: I want my son to look like his dad.

FACT: The major difference that boys notice is that dad’s penis has hair, and is larger. When a boy notices the difference between his foreskin and his father’s lack of one, just tell him, “When your father was born, they thought that you had to cut off the foreskin, but now we know better.” Since when does parent/child bonding require a matching set of genitals? Also, at some point in time someones father in the family tree had to be intact. Where was the concern for matching genitals then?

Perhaps the real issue at play here is protecting the father: if it is okay for his son to not be circumcised, then he did not have to be circumcised, and so he is missing something from his penis. It is not right to harm the child’s body to spare the father’s emotions.

Myth 12: My first son is circumcised, so I have to circumcise my second son.

FACT: You can explain this to your children the same way as with the circumcised father. There are plenty of families who changed their minds after one or more sons were circumcised, and didn’t circumcise any more. Children can be told that at one time, parents though circumcision was necessary. However as new medical information became available, it was decided that circumcision was no longer necessary.

Myth 13: My husband is the one with the penis, so it is his choice.

FACT: If your husband is circumcised, he has no idea what having a foreskin is like, and he is likely operating from a psychological position of needing to believe that what was done to him was beneficial and important. The baby is the one who is going to have to live with the decision for the rest of his life, not your husband. Mothers have the important role of protecting their children. The baby will be the one who has to use the penis for urination and sex — it should be his decision.

Myth 14: Everyone is circumcised.

FACT: World-wide, only 20%-30% of men are circumcised, and most of these men are Muslim (WHO 2007). Most modern, Westernized countries have rates well below 20%. In the United States about 25 years ago, around 85% of babies were circumcised. The rates have dropped below 55% in 2009, according to a report by the Centers for Disease Control National Hospital Discharge Survey. It is now assumed that the majority of baby boys in America are being left intact.

Myth 15: The other boys will tease him.

FACT: What other cosmetic surgeries will we perform on our children to prevent them from being teased? Should a “flat” girl get implants? What about the boy with a small penis? What surgery would be recommended for him? Circumcised babies are the minority now, and so intact will not be mocked. Plus, as our husbands say, “You just don’t look at or comment on another man’s penis in the locker room.”

Myth 16: Circumcision makes sex better for the woman.

FACT: The function of the foreskin for women in intercourse is to seal the natural lubrication inside the vagina and provide a gentle internal massaging action. The intact penis moves in and out of its foreskin, which provides a frictionless, rolling, gliding sensation. Intact men tend to make shorter strokes that keep their bodies in contact with the clitoris more, thus aiding female orgasm (O’Hara 1999). On the other hand, the circumcised penis functions like a piston during intercourse – the head of the penis actually scrapes the lubrication out of the vagina with each stroke. As the man thrusts, his skin rubs against the vaginal entrance, causing discomfort, and sometimes pain (O’Hara 1999, Bensley 2001). Far from making sex better for women, circumcision decreases female satisfaction.

Myth 17: Women don’t want to have sex with uncircumcised men.

FACT: In a landmark study of US women, 85% who had experienced both circumcised and intact men preferred sex with intact men. Sex with a circumcised man was associated with pain, dryness and difficulty reaching orgasm (O’Hara 1999). In another study, women were twice as likely to reach orgasm with an intact man (Bensley 2003). Even when a woman said she preferred a circumcised partner, she had less dryness and discomfort with intact men (O’Hara 1999).

Myth 18: “Being circumcised doesn’t affect my sex life.”

FACT: Men who are circumcised are 60% more likely to have difficulty identifying and expressing their feelings, which can cause marital difficulties (Bollinger 2010). Circumcised men are 4.5 times more likely to be diagnosed with erectile dysfunction, use drugs like Viagra, and to suffer from premature ejaculation (Bollinger 2010, Tang 2011). Men who were circumcised as adults experienced decreased sensation and decreased quality of erection, and both they and their partners experienced generally less satisfaction with sex (Kim 2007, Solinis 2007). The foreskin contains several special structures that increase sexual pleasure, including the frenulum and ridged band (the end of the foreskin where it becomes internal), both of which are removed in circumcision. The LEAST sensitive parts of the foreskin are more sensitive than the MOST sensitive parts of the circumcised penis (Sorrells 2007). In other words, if you wanted to decrease a penis’ sensitivity the most, circumcision would be the ideal surgery. The foreskin has nerves called fine-touch receptors which are clustered in the ridged band (Cold 1999). This type of nerve is also found in the lips and fingertips. To get an idea of the sensation these nerves provide, try this experiment: first lightly stroke your fingertip over the back of the other hand. Now stroke your fingertip over the palm of your hand. Feel the difference? That is the kind of sensation the foreskin provides, and the circumcised man is missing. It may feel like the penis is overly sensitive to a circumcised man because there is little sensation left to indicate excitement, leading to unexpected premature ejaculation (a common problem with circumcised young men). However, as circumcised penises age they become calloused and much less sensitive. See these pictures of circumcised vs intact penises – courtesy of Dr. Momma.org – Warning contains graphic content.

Myth 19: Doctors don’t have a profit motive to push circumcisions.

FACT: If you believe that, we have a bridge to sell you. Seriously, walk by the staff parking lot of your area hospital. Look at the number of luxury cars parked there. Doctors have certain income expectations to maintain their lifestyle, and you baby’s penis is part of that calculation. As insurance companies and Medicaid cut back reimbursements, doctors are under more pressure than ever to push more billable procedures. As they say, doctors talk “billable.”

Ok, that was a lot more than 10 myths, but there are so many myths surrounding circumcision we felt compelled to list those most often repeated.

References: http://intaction.org/10-myths-about-circumcision/

Deleted User said 5 years, 4 months ago:

Ye man i agree, I am so glad to not be circumcised, its fucking normal, i want my penis intact, every past of your body is important..your going to get infections regardless if your cir or not, just depends how clean you are!!

I also think masturbation and sex can be not be that pleasurable if circumcised, i have no way of knowing this for sure, but my uncircumcised dong has pleased myself and many woman, i think this whole thing is done by religious fanatics, who believe thats a way of being closer to god or bull crap!!

Like imagine if your a chick and they cut your clit off, thats what circumcision is akin too!!

DinoRaptor101 said 5 years, 4 months ago:

@Limitless That’s right, and yes it’s very disturbing, while most mutilated males live unaware of what’s wrong and it increases their unconscious rage impulses, rape fantasies, and actual rape cases. I also studied psychological impacts of pushing this awareness into society.. imagine if every circumcised male out there realized that they were botched? a man’s sexuality is CRUCIAL to their existence.

Thank you for your reply. it’s very valuable to me to learn your insight as an intact whole man :)

Deleted User said 5 years, 4 months ago:

Hmm im not sure that rape impulses is correlated to circumcision, but, i wouldnt know as I have not really cared to research it;p

Ye man, thanks for calling me an intact whole man, dont put yourself down, i think every man cir/uncir is intact as long as the jewels are working;p, all we can do is work for the future!

DinoRaptor101 said 5 years, 4 months ago:

@limitless Ever heard of the practice where they cut the puppies ears in early stages of life to make them more furious and aggressive?? same effect goes for circumcised humans they don’t entirely understand the problem but their neural network is permanently rewired. Research on this was conducted back in 1998. I’ll try to find the article

Deleted User said 5 years, 4 months ago:

Hmm it sounds similar to cock fights in bangkok, how they get the cocks on cocaine, and leave them starved to become aggressive and fight to death!

Thats crazy man, I think yeah If you become aware of it thou, theres always hope for change, theres no such thing as being permanently rewired, I seriously hope.

DinoRaptor101 said 5 years, 4 months ago:

@limitless Sorry pal the price of my knowledge was chronic depression, PTSD, and 3 suicide attempts… and killing 10 years of my life and possibly the rest of it, in reserach seeking salvation..

I’m damaged forever, and continuing research is my way of coping with it… I hope I don’t succeed in killing myself oneday.. because sometimes… I really wish I died that last time…

Trust me tell a circumcised man that he’s mutilated and he feels %29 of what sex would have been.. he would kill you and shoot the entire neighbourhood or strap a nuke.. and only THEN.. he will kill himself.. this is how BAD.. it is..

The only way most males cope with it is convinding themselves that they are “cleaner” and “healthier” and all the excuses to avoid the painful truth.. because admitting for a man, that he’s not a whole “male” is worse than physically castrating him…

:/ Hense all circumcised men are so furious and religious about it.. you have NO IDEA how fked up and suicidal would it be for them to face the brutal truth of things… that they are half-males..

Humanist Hope said 5 years, 4 months ago:

Now this is fascinating material.

I’m a circumcised male and I never knew any of this until just now because I considered it a benign operation at best.

I don’t feel any compulsion to bring harm to anyone because I potentially only feel 29% of sexual stimulation and possibly lost some size in the deal, but this is intriguing information.

Deleted User said 5 years, 4 months ago:

like i said I cant relate mate, but I wouldnt let it hold you back, if it is a painful truth, just deal with it, move on, make peace with it, I am glad you are getting awareness, but, I am sure it will not permanently rewire a person like how you think, and pls stop believing that, you just put yourself down, the power of the mind is stronger than that!! You decide the male you want to be bro, not your dong, cut or uncut!!
Dont think im not trying to see your side, but, you should not make it the ultimate source for your pain, just concentrate on like future man!

DinoRaptor101 said 5 years, 4 months ago:

Having someone to talk to is my greatest struggle because I can’t share about this with anyone on this TABOO topic.. I lose friends and family in the process and… no one wants to talk about this.. not even listeners on blah therapy.. some get shocked other laugh and mock.. but the conclusion always ends in disconnection

@blackholehead Johnathan It’s good to know that you can simply get over it knowing you’ll never know what sex would be like, as both experience… and interest.. I”m glad you find something more important in life to value …
but for me my integrity and freedom was my greatest asset.. and to have that shattered leaves a big black scar on my soul.

:) thnks for sharing

DepressedEternal said 5 years, 4 months ago:

I feel the same as DinoRaptor. I really really REALLY HATE IT when people try to minimize the importance of it. “It’s in the past, let it go or you’ll never be happy,” “Your penis shouldn’t define how you feel about yourself as a person,” blah blah blah, on and on, excuses from people who obviously will never understand. I don’t choose to listen to such people. I’m sure most of them mean well, but I don’t have the time or inclination to listen to such apologia.

It’s rare, but yes, there are a few people out there who really do understand how horrible it is, and don’t think that trying to “get you over it” is the way to help. There’s not many, but there’s a few. I’ve met a few here on blahtherapy, and elsewhere.

I do believe that foregen could someday possibly give us the chance to reverse most if not all of the physical damage caused by routine infant genital mutilation… as far as the neurological damage… neuroplasticity will help… but as far as the deep emotional and spiritual damage… it may never be healable, though I believe with all my heart that having a regenerated foreskin will make me feel whole again, maybe not in my past, but at least in my future.

It is the one hope I cling to. I don’t know what I would do if that ever went away…

DinoRaptor101 said 5 years, 4 months ago:

@Depressedeternal, What about our teen years.. we never got to live with adventures and proper development .. people enjoy their 12 , 13 , 14 , 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, and more.. those years that are gone will not come back.. even if we ever get to be rich enough to perform a miracle and fully restore ourselves.

We have no use for it by the time we do so….
There is no hope …. not for me.. I want to die…

I”m sorry this isn’t a whining or a complaint.. this is an open honest streight forward choice… I want to end it… I don’t want to wake up and live through another nightmare again..

Kat said 5 years, 4 months ago:

I thought for the longest time it was for aesthetics, or appearance to look “cleaner”. I learned from my husband it is actually,respectively, mutilation. People don’t really know this so it doesn’t seem like a huge deal to them. If I end up having a boy, he is going au naturale!

DepressedEternal said 5 years, 4 months ago:

@Kat, glad to hear it. That’s good news for your future son, if you ever decide to have one. :) Unfortunately, it doesn’t really help victims like DinoRaptor and myself. :(

@DinoRaptor, Yes, it’s true, we’ll never get those years back. Me personally, I feel like I’ve never really gotten to live at all. Miserable childhood, miserable adolescence, still mostly miserable now. But I live for the future. All my hopes and dreams are directed towards the aspiration that some day, I might be able to start truly living. It’s NEVER too late for that. We will always have a use for taking back our body and our choice! As I am trying to convince you, I’m also trying to convince myself, so don’t quit on me yet, huh?

DinoRaptor101 said 5 years, 4 months ago:

@KAT .. you make me feel proud when I see people like you understand us, and choose to save their children from the brutal society we live in.

Thank you

@depressedeternal I do not live for the future dear, I live for the moment.. my happiness depends on the happiness of others. although I can’t make real friends.. I spend all my fortune to buy them off.. pathetic.. but .. at least it’s better than suicide.