they definitely aren’t our fathers or the men before them. they aren’t as ambitious as it seem men of the past were. is the increase in women striving for a career pushing men out of their role as the head of the household? so much that instead of being competitive they just settle in some hollow role of supportive spouse? at worst, sadly, most commonly, they become bitter. they cry feminism and not getting to be a man. sounds like women are no longer the only ones with something wet between their legs.
do feminist play a part? sure, but a lot of their power comes from men bowing down in submission, as oppose to accepting a fair challenge. its as if this masculine race either abuses or bows out pitifully. they either fear women gaining power or seek to keep them down, but never accept an open challenge to push both sexes to grow at once.
today, even non gay-men seem more obsessed with themselves being pretty than the girl they date. they all watch porn and think they can fuck, and more than ever seem hooked on violence whether it be rough (yet lousy) sex, blood splattering video games, or being features in some youtube fight video.
i’m not trying to tear down men, i simply wish it wasn’t so easy to do so. i didn’t even tackle fatherhood…
come to my gym and ill show ye men;p..atleast the ones not on roids..im a proud MAN btw..stop describing the losers youve grown up with or had experience with, its your fault your landing them if they were your ex. see loser women attract loser men. loser men attract loser women.
please cease with the machismo speak. don’t bring your gym in here as a reason why men as a whole haven’t fallen great lengths, that’s just silly and hilariously sad that you even went there.
you don’t know me, yet you assume my stance is based purely on my surroundings. i’m a firm believer in surrounding yourself what the kind of people you want to adopt something from; success or personality. so don’t act like you know.
there are studies all over the place showing the change in the general behavior of men and the responsibilities they run from. there are more women than men in the workforce, more women raising families by themselves (yet they didn’t make the baby by themselves, hmm, where did that man go?), and more women gaining college education than men. these FACTS have little to do with their being more women than men, and much more to do with the behavioral changes in men.
for some reason, they don’t want to work as hard (especially in the United States), they don’t want to start families, let alone take care of the ones they already have, and they are hooked on gore and porn.
you have a quick tongue to speak on shit you appear to know little about outside of your personal idea of how alpha you are, do you care to share why these facts are so? do you want to blame every individual as if society as a whole plays no part?
i can give less than 2 cents about how far men fall on the food chain; more power to the women that walk over them. i just think its interesting that in the next few decades, we’ll probably see a drastic change of roles in the average relationship, with men taking on a more feminine stance.
basically, men: man the fuck up, your lack of fortitude is endangering the species.
I’d be interested to see some figures to back up these facts. There are over 7 billion people in the world so it’s pretty difficult to generalise by gender I’d say.
Idk maybe it is who you surround yourself with, @limitless is as manly as man could get and you shoot down his theory like nothinh, so what do you want? Him to submit and agree with you as you described? There always has been weak minded men, ALWAYS, maybe cite some of these facts and studies? Id like to take a look.
“please cease with the machismo speak.”
“basically, men: man the fuck up, your lack of fortitude is endangering the species.”
I detect a distinct dearth of coherence there.
I’m afraid I’m gonna have to stay neutral on this topic. Even if you backed up your views wih sources I’d have to be skeptical; I agree with @Mysterium. So many people, cultures, backgrounds, etc to consider, it’s hard to take any ‘scientific studies’ seriously.
I believe however what you refer to is not the decrease in showing off of testosterone, but merely the lessening of pressure on it. In the past (and today, in some parts of the world) men were expected to bring home the pay, dominate their women and children and essentially be what you’re referring to as a man.
A man was meant to be defined by gender, not by personality or beliefs or choices. With the ease on beliefs these days, especially with sexuality and marriage, it’s to be expected that there would also be an ease with personality. Men are no longer feeling pressured to be all “macho”. This is highly normal, a breaking down of societal rule. In the past (again, and today) women were the same. We were expected to be the emotional definition of a ‘woman’; submissive, obedient, gentle, yet of course there would be ‘alternative’ women, they eventually were the suffragettes. But even then, all throughout time, there have been gentle-men.
It’s only equal backlash from women causing such an affair over sexism that men have reacted equally. For so long suffragettes complained about men having too much responsibility and power, what can you possibly expect them to do now? How can you complain over the concequences of our ancestors?
They haven’t changed, they just don’t feel the need to conform to everyone elses rules of what a “man” is anymore.
god knows why you generalize this as men and women..i see it as losers and winners (survival of the fittest)..there are enough fuck ups in both sides of the gender pool..again i stand by everything i say..and you sound like a retarded feminist who has had bad experiences with losers, you needs a real man to dump your ass and wake up, and yes this is my opinion on YOU!
I don’t think men are not being pressurized to be macho. They just want to be macho because that’s what they were designed to do. Women on the other hand, aren’t exactly the women they were before. Women seem to be taking on a much more “macho” role and wouldn’t that make a man feel insecure? Also being a woman isn’t about being obedient or submissive, its more about being caring and nurturing. I don’t know if I’m right but what I’m saying now is based on my observation. It is probably due to influence or whatever but you can’t just generalise “what happened to all the men?”. How about I ask “what happened to all the women?”.
chwati your thinking is spot on..let me expand by saying i was a loser man, and guess what not a single one of my exs complained, coz they were f**king losers too, we used to be losers together, basically i was good enough for them..the girls who went out with me were fake, they were at my level in fitness and mentality at the time of the relationship, a shocking but 100% true observation, ive made in retrospect. See if you want a MAN in your life, you need to have something to offer, nothing in this world is free, same way guys if you want a HOT woman in your life, you must have something to offer to. its biology at play when females seek out the alpha male.
i replied to this before and my damn phone lost it. i almost said forget it, but i like clarify things, especially here since most seem to have missed the point.
this isn’t about machismo or men evolving. this definitely isn’t about how to attract the right person (???). this is about the fact that as women progress socially, men regress. for well over 50 years women participation in the workforce has grown, which is ideal considering the social changes and economic needs of families. but the amount of men working had dropped.
this isn’t my assumption, its a fact (look it up). couple this fact with increased divorce rates, increased rate of children born out of wedlock, increased amount of single mothers, increased and steadily growing number of women who are the head of their household or make more than their male spouse…these aren’t coincidences, but a trend that closely reflects the regression of men in American society.
the above shows a trend of men no longer buying into the idea that they need to marry…that’s fine, but what about the increase in single mothers; are they all widows? i think not. and the rise of women as the head of the household, the breadwinner of the family; is it simply easier for a woman to find a quality paying job? Possibly, but it still directly reflects on the change of a man’s role in society.
more women also attend and graduate college than men. and that number grows, while men only lead women in the amount of college drop-outs.
the only area where there isn’t a imbalanced growth is among the upper class. but from middle class and below (most of the country) there is a growing gap between the progress women are making and the lack of progress men are making. you may think this is no big deal, women are simply catching up…but imagine this scenario…
@limitless brought up biology, but didn’t quite understand that such only aids what i originally said.
historically women have always saught out a mate that could be a provider and bring stability to a family. that is in their nature, so that she may bare children without fear of not being able to care for them; in this sense, its common for women to date up or at least on their level, not matter what part of the social ladder they fall on; its not common in her nature to be attracted to someone who can’t bring anything to the table, especially the higher up they are on said ladder. yet now, and in the future especially, due to how many more women are raising their social class vs the amount of men who are falling down that social ladder, there will eventually be a time when most women have to date down, because the amount of men ahead or on their level will be few.
this fascinates me, that we may be in an age where men…are the new women…nah, not even that because he can’t have children. i guess in many cases the man’s role in a relationship will be reduced to sex toy, chef, and moral support; since the woman will be making the money, having the children, supporting the family, and be the head of the house hold.
this wasn’t a topic about where are all the good men at…good and bad are irrelevant in this situation where men in general are falling down the social ladder. if you really can’t see that, then perhaps you are part of the problem.
I just want to point out that there is an unbroken record of people lamenting that “men aren’t what they used to be” in the media literally since the days when “media” meant cuneiform carved into rocks.
Men aren’t like Gilgamesh anymore.
Exactly what I was referring to. How did you guess?
Cuneiform => Babylonia => Gilgamesh.